Showing posts with label dental s-corp. Show all posts
Showing posts with label dental s-corp. Show all posts

Thursday, March 16, 2017

At a Glance: Important Tax Deadlines for March and April

According to a recent study on dental practice seasonality trends, March and April are among the busiest months of the year. Does this sound like your dental practice?
If so, you’ve no doubt also noticed this coincides with tax season. To help make your busiest months a little easier, here are the tax deadlines for March and April.
March 15
Dental Partnerships should File a 2016 tax return (Form 1065). Provide each partner in your dental practice with a copy of Schedule K-1 of Form 1065, or a substitute Schedule K-1. To request an automatic 6-month extension to file the return and provide Schedules K-1, use Form 7004 to extend your filing deadline to September 15.
Large Dental Partnerships (100+ partners) should file a 2016 tax return (Form 1065-B). Provide each partner in your dental practice with a copy of Schedule K-1 of Form 1065-B, or a substitute of Schedule K-1. This due date applies even if you request an extension of time to file Form 1065-B by filing Form 7004. To request an automatic 6-month extension and move your filing deadline to September 15, use Form 7004.
If your dental practice is structured as an S-Corporation, file a 2016 income tax return (Form 1120S) and pay any tax due. Provide each shareholder with a copy of Schedule K-1  of Form 1120S, or a substitute of Schedule K-1. To get an automatic 6-month extension of time to file, use Form 7004 and pay what you estimate you owe on your return.
If your dental practice is electing S corporation treatment beginning with calendar year 2017, you should file Form 2553 (Election by a Small Business Corporation). If you file Form 2553 late, S corporation treatment of your dental practice will begin with calendar year 2018.
March 31
File the following forms with the IRS if they apply to your dental practice. Note that a deadline of March 31 for these forms only applies if you’re filing online.
  • Form 1098 (Mortgage Interest Statement)
  • Form 1099 (Self-Employment Income)
  • Form 3921 (Exercise of an Incentive Stock Option), and
  • Form 3922 (Transfer of Stock Acquired Through an Employee Stock Purchase Plan)
April 18
Dental Corporations should file a 2016 income tax return (Form 1120) and pay any tax due. To request an automatic 6-month extension of time to file, use Form 7004 and pay what you estimate you owe on your return.
You should also deposit the first installment payment for your 2017 estimated income tax.
If you’re not already working with Dental CPAs for your practice’s tax planning, contact us today. We can help manage your tax liability and reduce your stress during your busiest months.
For more information, contact out DentalCPA team at 844-DENT CPA (336-8272) or email info@dentalcpas.com 

Tuesday, December 4, 2012

Dentist has Questions about S-Corp Meeting Minutes


I am the only member of an S Corp. I need help with regards annual corporate meeting and keeping of minutes. 

What do you do in an annual corporate meeting when you are the only member? 

What makes up the agenda/minutes of these meetings?

Does an attorney need be present?

I have read that the annual CPA meetings could count as the corporate meeting, any one with a different view?

Thanks

I've often said that the minutes we prepare for our client meetings have sufficed under IRS audit and should suffice as "corporate" minutes. That said, this is for IRS purposes when they audit and want to make sure the taxpayer is treating their corporation as they should.

I can't speak for any other legal purpose like a lawsuit; however, we have had clients with legal actions, domestic, partnership issues, etc., and when "minutes" have been requested these have been provided and it's never been a problem, meaning, there's never been a response to say these aren't proper minutes or not in proper form.

The minutes we prepare are on our letter head, have clients name (LL, PCL, PLLC, PA, PC, Inc., etc) location, date, time, and attendees. Then we either attach or note agenda and what was discussed, decided, tasks assigned, etc.

Some of the items we have on every agenda: year-to-date results, projections, year-to-year comparisons, other corporation matters, individual tax projections and other practice-business issues. Of course with each client there can be other issues added to the agenda based upon their specific needs.

Again, if asked to produce for an IRS audit these have sufficed. It’s the same with other legal issues I mentioned above. Check with your attorney and\or CPA to make sure they are comfortable with this.
The purpose of doing minutes is to act like you're a corporation since you created one and reporting taxes as one.

For example, if a taxpayer has reported their income as an S-Corporation for 10 years and saved payroll taxes on S-Corporation dividends of say $50k over those 10 years and they were audited and found to NOT be in compliance, i.e., acting like a sole proprietor, then the IRS could take the position that they really weren't an S-Corporation and assess the $50k in taxes plus penalties and interest.

The bottom line is, if you're going to create and report your taxes as a corporation, make sure you do the things a corporation is supposed to do.


Wednesday, August 29, 2012

Is Electing an S-Corp Status the Best Option for this Dental Group?


I have a hypothetic tax question. Of course I am reviewing this with both the accountant and financial planner, but curious of your opinion.

Assume there is a group practice with multiple owners that make more than 250,000 net (let’s say 500,000 average for argument sake, but they truly are not equal, one might be 375,000, one might be 600,000, etc).

They currently operate under an LLC as the practice operating entity. 

…and I assume that LLC is currently being taxed as a partnership, correct?

They are thinking of electing S-Corp status through their LLC to avoid some of the pending tax increases.

As an S-Corp, how will this effect
1) their ability to unequally distribute compensation

It will add a couple of steps to the year-end planning process as well as the following years tax return prep, though it won't be a big deal. Basically you'll want the wages to be set at the lowest base salary for everyone. Then, when you calculate who is due what, you'll use the wages to "reconcile" the compensation differences. For example:

Let’s assume everyone takes a salary of $250k. At the end of the year, it's determined that one should make $375k. One should make $500k and the other $600k. That means that one gets $125k more, another gets $250k more and the last gets $300k more.

The last one gets a W-2 bonus of $175k ($300k-$125k), the second one gets a W-2 bonus of $125k ($250k-$125k) and the first one gets NO W-2 bonus. That leaves $375k of S-Corp profit split evenly at $125k each so everyone got what they were entitled.

The trick is this will have to be estimated in December then reconciled to actual for the year when all the numbers are final for tax return purposes. These reconciliation differences will also run through wages.

2) the ability for a partial sale of personal goodwill should a transition occur

Bingo. This is where the S-Corp complicates transitions and you might want to weigh this issue with existing income tax issues.

In my opinion the parent LLC taxed as a partnership provides the most flexibility when it comes to future transitions in and\or out.

There are a couple of potential options, each with pros\cons:

A. consider the S-Corps at the partner level instead of the parent LLC level
B. consider creating another entity, S-Corp, as a management or dental provider company with the 3 owners so that it won't own any of the tangible assets or personal GW, it just provides the dental services. The LLC pays that company for its dental clinical services to the extent of the LLC profits, the S-Corp then pays its doctor providers based on their clinical efforts accordingly.

I haven't thought this completely through; however, that MIGHT allow you to minimize your current taxes while maintaining the ease of future transitions.

This model is used quite frequently with certain corporate buyers. They own the "parent" company while the doctors have their own clinical corps. The parent company pays the doctors clinical corporation for services.

Good luck


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Wednesday, April 11, 2012

Dentist Has Questions About S-Corp


I'm starting a new associate position in the near future and the owner and I were discussing being paid as an employee vs. me forming my own S-Corp having my compensation run through the corporation. The situation is:

Expected per diem income totaling about 140-150k. He owns 2 offices
He has agreed to reimburse about 5k in dues, liability, uniform, etc.
He would reimburse $400 per month towards health insurance. I would not be eligible for the office retirement plan.

My wife is a GD buying into a practice so that ends up putting our combined income into the AMT zone so we lose out on all types of deductions (her partners are very conservative, and don't run much through the office).
If she's buying in why can't she do her own thing as a part owner? There are ways to protect the other partners if one of her deductions is tossed out by the IRS.

Obviously, if I formed a corporation I would then be responsible for all of the SS/Medicare taxes, but I'm trying to figure out if I can make up for that with business deductions within the corporation.  For example:
  • We will need to either purchase or lease a new car since ours is on its last legs
  • The mileage on said car, since I need to travel to/from the bank on behalf of the corporation and between the two offices
  • I will need to get my own health insurance for which the premiums will be deductible
  • CE courses and dental meetings
  • Meals and entertainment for referring offices (I'm an ortho and my wife is a referrer. I need to keep her happy to keep the referrals coming!)
  • Various unreimbursed business expenses that I would not be able to deduct as an employee due to the AMT
  • Charitable donations made via the corporation
  • Marketing and office supplies 
  • The biggest benefit I can see is the ability to put money away pre-tax in a qualified retirement plan.  I'm not sure if I could get away with the "I hired my wife as a consultant and used her salary to fund her retirement"

I'm trying to figure out if it would be worth it in the long run.  Losing out on all those deductions because of the AMT is tough.You need to "run the numbers" and do the math. All the things you mentioned are fine, however, if it totals $3,000 vs. $30,000 makes a HUGE difference in the analysis doesn't it?

And it's not helping that my wife's partners are so ultra-conservative you'd think they work for the IRS!

I’m still not getting why your wife’s partner’s tax position comfort zone should impact your wife’s?

Either that, or just be an employee and save all the headaches... 

KISS, there's something to be said for that theory! Especially if your employer is willing to work with you on YOUR professional expenses!

Some of your assumptions are wrong but the thing that stood out to me was that your wife is not buying into the partnership correctly and this could potentially cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars. Or you are not explaining her relationship with her partners correctly.

I'm still looking for the question that Jason answered...

The books for the practice are done by the CPA who leases the first floor of the building from the real estate corporation owned by my wife's 3 partners (she's buying into the practice only first.. then the real estate in the future).  The CPA manages payroll as well as all the day-today accounting.  The profits are divvied up based on a formula of percent ownership and days worked.  Any "perks" that are run through the office are brought to the accountant downstairs and deducted from the "bonus" paid to the doctor.So why not hand the accountant the professional expenses you want to "run through" and tell them to deduct it from the bonus and code them to the appropriate business category. Remember, they work for you. That said, if they say it can't be deducted pre-tax ask them why and if you don't like the reason seek a second opinion.

There are so many things we could be running through the office, but it just doesn't happen.  For example, the landscaper who does our home landscaping is the same one who does the office, yet we pay for our home landscaping with post-tax dollars from our checking account... it's frustrating!!
I'm not going to touch that one...

Then add to the fact that my wife, for some unknown reason, is never allowed to put the maximum amount away in a retirement plan ($44,000 or whatever it is now).  She's allowed to put the $17,500 plus whatever the office matches (although it is higher for her as an owner, so it ends up around $30k or so).  Unfortunately I know nothing about retirement and how this works, and even when I've asked our personal accountant, he can never give me an answer and just seems uninterested in explaining it to me.
Well there are retirement plan rules that employers have to abide by and I suspect they're handling the retirement plan correctly. However, that doesn't mean that there may not be a better plan for their practice.


Uhh. . .this doesn't make me feel any better about your wife buying into this partnership.  Has it happened already?  How is she buying in?  It smells like she is buying into a single entity partnership.  There are MAJOR issues involved in this, with the first one being that the value she is paying is based on an asset sale price, which means that she is possibly overpaying 20-35% of the purchase price!!!

Hopefully she has not acquired anything yet and you can begin to speak to people who know how to handle this type of situation (read: dental attorney and dental CPA and possible a dental management consultant
).  


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Monday, May 23, 2011

Is an S-Corp the Correct Structure for this Dentist?

Hi, a newbie dentist here, I'm going to set up myself as an S-Corp (no LLC in California), my attorney wanted to know if I will be paying myself via W2. I guess I need to know this info to set up an EIN. Can you advise?

Thanks a ton!

Jason Wood (www.DentalAttorneys.com)

Before answering all of the other questions your post raises...

1. Why are you setting up an S-Corp? I.E. What is the purpose?

Right now I'm being paid on a combination of 1099s and W2s, I'm single, no children, so no real deductions. I'm setting up S-Corp so it would be a bit easier for me to run deductions and expenses.

Next questions:

1. How much are you making? If you aren't making enough, the deductions will not equal the yearly maintenance costs associated with the corporation.

2. What are your short/medium term goals as a dentist? If it is to own or do a start up in the next 2 years, then starting a corporation now is probably not in your best interest since you should abandon your "associate corporation" when you go to purchase/start up a new practice because you do not want a liability connection between your new practice and your old associate life.

Tim Lott (http://www.dentalcpas.com/)

While Jason is guiding you through all the proper questions I’ll comment on your specific questions for the benefit of others that might be considering an S-Corp:

“My attorney wanted to know if I will be paying myself via W2.”

How else does an employee of a corporation get paid for rendering services? The answer is YES, even if it's a nominal wage as the corporation will probably have employee business expenses so it's usually a good idea to show wages to acknowledge you ARE an employee.

I guess I need to know this info to set up an EIN. Can anyone advise?

S-Corp is going to have an EIN regardless of if it has employees or not.

Right now I'm being paid on a combination of 1099s and W2s. I'm single, no children, and so no real deductions. I'm setting up S-Corp so it would be a bit easier for me to run deductions and expenses.

Why will an S-Corp make it "easier" to run deductions? What deductions does an S-Corp allow that a Sole Proprietorship doesn't?

Thank you so much for the info offered, I looked at my situation a bit more and I think I'd like to get situated thus:

My primary income is coming from a practice where I'm a partner at. This practice is set up as a C-Corp. I'd like to be able to help my partner avoid paying the payroll taxes by having my compensation be a straight forward corp-to-corp expense. Would I then be able to take that lump compensation, then disperse to myself (the individual - my corporation has no other employees, no other shareholders) a W2?

This bit of advice:

However, I have also been advised to NOT give myself a W2 (so I don't have to pay the payroll taxes on that) but to simply disperse to myself as dividends and then pay the 1040 at the end of the year.

Should generate this response:

"but the answers I've received have been less than satisfactory"

Beyond that your posts are quite confusing to me....bottom line is:

If you create an S-Corp to contract with a practice to perform dentistry and if that S-Corp is relying on a dentist to perform the dentistry (After all, an S-Corp can't perform dentistry....its employees do) that employee would require a W-2 as an employee.

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Tuesday, April 19, 2011

Was an S-Corp Election the Correct One for this Dental Start-Up?

I live in Massachusetts, but I am using a New York CPA for my taxes. I was happy with what he did for my taxes so far, but ever since I began the process of my start-up, I have started to lose some confidence in him. Even though I told him that my start-up was projected to open in 2011, he told me to set up my subchapter S-Corp right away. I didn't know anything at that time, so I just agreed and paid him $750 to set up my corporation.

I did not tell my bosses about my corporation because I didn't want them knowing about my start-up yet. Therefore, my paychecks still went to me, and not my company. So my corporate tax return for 2010 reported a $2471 loss, and $24221 total assets, from various costs, such as lease negotiation fees, lawyer fees, demographics reports, architect fees, some equipment, supplies, etc. After all the paperwork, he charged me $650 for the preparation fee, and I still had to pay a $456 minimum Massachusetts tax. I think that this $1106 extra cost could have been avoided if I did not set up my S-Corp until 2011, and I should have been informed of these costs at the beginning.

Was setting up my S-Corp in 2010 the right thing to do, or did my CPA rip me off for $650, and caused me to have to pay an unnecessary $456 in taxes? Was there an advantage to reporting the "soft assets" in 2010, compared to 2011?

I personally think I got ripped off, and have started to look around for a potential new CPA. What are the main advantages to having an in-state CPA versus an out of state CPA? I’m trying to decide between hiring a Massachusetts CPA, or going for a dental town CPA.

The advice to create the S-Corp now has absolutely nothing to do with what state the CPA lives in, in my opinion. It's a judgment call by the CPA plain and simple. An MA CPA may have made the same call.

That said, the question is, was creating any entity at that time the right choice? It probably was and I would have likely suggested it as well. However, I don't think I would have suggested S-Corp if MA accepts LLC's, which I believe it does.

If you plan on borrowing 100% or near 100% from a third party for your start-up make sure you talk to your CPA about S-Corp tax basis issues and how it affects the shareholders ability to deduct initial losses.

Thanks for the response Tim. I was wondering if it was more advantageous to hire an in-state CPA or an out of state CPA. I see posts about people asking for references for CPAs for their state on this forum all the time, so it makes me wonder why. Is it really that more advantageous for someone to hire a CPA that's based in their own state?

Primarily, you need to consider the expertise and skills of the CPA first and foremost, NOT what state they’re in, IMHO.

Secondarily, YOU have to consider what YOU'RE comfortable with. Some people prefer someone close by that they can walk or drive to for face-to-face meetings, I believe that's what drives the requests for "CPAs in my state". Others are comfortable with the long-distance professional relationship which has become more prevalent with the internet, webconferencing, skype, etc.

Even though we're based in MD, I believe our firm knows the surrounding state laws very well (that is, MD, DC, VA, PA) because we've always had clients in those areas.

I'll be the first to admit when we get a client out-of-state (other than the 4 I mentioned above) there's more work involved for us initially to get up to speed on the state and local specific tax laws like income, personal property & sales tax. However, because of the internet and our tax law library provider, all we really need to do is read up on it. The federal income tax laws apply to all states and many states follow the feds with respect to those taxes. So it's a question of learning about the entities they allow, how they tax them and the specific state laws on all the taxes.

Obviously the more clients you get in any one state helps you commit those state specific issues to memory.

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Tuesday, April 5, 2011

First Year Dental Practice Tax Questions

2010 was the first year for my practice as a startup, a PLLC. We are showing a big loss.

Does that loss get carried over to my personal return so I get a refund? (I made money working for someone else and money as an employee of the startup.)

You should under the right situation, and I suspect you have the right situation. The question then becomes, do WANT to use a VERY large loss if it drops you into the 15, 10 or god forbid, 0 % tax brackets? Not if you can help it.

Taking losses at the appropriate tax brackets is key. I've seen returns where the taxpayer took as much loss as the tax code allowed and created negative taxable income. These taxpayers LOST the benefit of either their itemized or standard deductions along with their exemptions for that year. THOSE deductions CAN'T be carried forward. Depreciation deductions CAN be carried over if done correctly.

Good luck.

Thanks for the reply. I have a call out to my accountant to discuss this.

According to my EOY Statement of Income and Expenses, if I didn't pay myself any salary, the business would have shown only about a $20k loss. Since I paid myself, it shows a bigger loss than that. I don't believe that number includes any loan payments or depreciation.

Oh boy, wages? Is the PLLC being taxed as an S-Corp? If so, check to see if you have a tax-basis issue now....generally, without basis you cannot deduct losses...

Yes, taxed as an S-Corp. I'm not sure what "tax-basis" means, but my monthly report does have "Income tax basis" in the title.

Your accountant should know. Basically if you haven't put any money into the practice (i.e. funded 100% with bank debt) you may not have a tax basis unless the bank loan is in your personal name....

Yes, the bank loan paid for it all. It’s in the practice's name.

That doesn't sound promising. If you were looking forward to using some of those losses you should have waited to elect S-Corp. There may be a few little things you can do now, after the fact. Email me after you meet with your accountant and let us know what the deal is. If they say you can't do anything at this point shoot me an email if you want to chat off-line about it.

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Thursday, January 13, 2011

At Risk Rules for Interest in a Dental S-Corp Questions

I borrowed X dollars to buy 100% interest in a dental practice. I'm actively involved in running the business. I contributed $0 initially. If I have a loss for the 2010 tax year, am I limited by the at-risk rules?

If you have no basis in the S-Corp you can't take losses. Since you elected to do an S-Corp instead of an LLC, did you at least get the loan in your personal name? Before you ask, a personal guaranty on a loan in a corporation name won't help either.

If the loan is NOT in your name, do you have access to any cash personally you can lend to your corporation to give you basis?

1. The loan is in my personal name. I incorporated 6 months after I purchased the practice.

I think you might be fine then based on this statement, would have to see the details of the "incorporation" in terms of the timing, tax returns, etc.

2. Duh. Can't believe I missed this one. The only cash I had was the cash I had in my sole proprietorship checking account when I incorporated. I created a new checking account when I incorporated and contributed all of the cash-on-hand to the new corporation. This would be my basis, right? What document would I need to provide/create to show this transaction?

Simply the transaction itself. What I mean is if you have a personal checking account showing a transfer of $10,000 and on the same day the corporate account shows a deposit of $10,000 and you have the deposit ticket, you'll be fine on the documentation.

Why did you decide to incorporate 6 months after you purchased the practice?

During the financing phase of the practice acquisition, the bank asked me if I was planning to incorporate prior to funding. When I said "yes," they said that funding would be delayed up to 6 weeks. Time was of the essence, so I decided to move forward as a sole proprietorship.

I waited until the end/beginning of a quarter to incorporate to make payroll taxes, etc. easier to calculate.

Thanks for the info regarding my basis.

Got it. Thanks for the reply. 6 week delay, wow! Looks like it may have worked out as it was.

BTW - not that this applies to you, but for anyone else reading this post in the same or similar situation, if you have access to a personal LOC or HELOC, that's another source of cash to get you basis.

Thanks and right back at ya.

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Friday, January 7, 2011

Dental S-Corporation Questions

I just formed an S -Corp from Sole P….what can I write off in taxes from one and not from another? EX: health insurances, Dis ins, MP ins. In S-cop, I am an employee now, what can I give myself in benefits (ex. health Ins, dis. ins, MP ins) and still tax write off? Do I need to provide that do all of my employees?

Generally, from an income tax perspective there's very little else an S-Corp offers that you can't get from a sole-proprietor.

Why did you form an S-Corp in the first place? What were you looking to achieve? What benefits were you looking to gain and how do they compare to the additional costs of an S-Corp?

Seems to me that if you got advice on the reasons to form an S-Corp, that advice would have considered these questions AND the ones you're asking.

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Wednesday, May 26, 2010

How Will Dentist Be Taxed?

W-2 income gets taxed with Medicaid/Medicare, SS, and Income.

Simple IRA contribution gets taxed with Medicaid/Medicare and SS

Distributions for an S-Corp gets taxed with Income only.....

Is it safe to say the average dentist makes 120K/year, therefore anything above that should be paid as a distribution? For example if I take home 200K, I would have 120K go as W-2 and then the other 80K as a distribution from the S-Corp. But I also make my 11.5K contribution to the Simple IRA, which would mean my yearly income is:

120 + 80 + 11.5 = 211.5K, but each chunk is taxed differently.

Now if I am also paying my wife and she gets 36K for W-2 and 11.5K for Simple IRA... filing together 259K and Obama hits us with the over 250K tax? So the only extra Obama tax would be on that 9K over the limit or on the total amount?

Now when all is said and done and all write offs have been made…at the end of the year my S-Corp still has 50K in profit that I choose not to take home because I want to build just in case shit happens account for my office that gets taxed as a corporate profit?

What level would that corporate tax on the extra 50K?

I have an accountant and we are meeting soon to go over all this, just want to educate myself a bit before our meeting with this little hypothetical situation.

The $50k will be taxed on your individual return for federal tax purposes and most states, NOT taxed at the corporate level, whether you take the cash or not.

Thanks Tim. Are my other statements true? Do we know what the Obama tax will end up being?

I see nothing really wrong with everything else you said, but haven't been worried about the Obama tax just yet. There are too many other planning issues for 2010 still occurring.

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Wednesday, March 24, 2010

Should Dentist Remain an S-Corp or Convert to Sole Proprietor?

Currently I am the only employee of my own S-Corp.

The only advantage I see being in a S-Corp is the limited liability? Is that right?

I'm considering dissolving the S-Corp and go back to the sole proprietor 1099? I'm paying my accountant about $2000 a year just to file the quarterly tax, monthly IRS tax, and the yearly corporation’s income tax.

I honestly do not know if I'm really benefiting from the s-corp. I work as an independent contractor to an office last year and the most write-offs for my personal equipment purchase, supply, etc was probably less than $5000 total.

This year I changed jobs and I'm probably going to end up only bringing home less than 60k before tax. If I can cut back on paying (the CPA) to maintain the corporation, is that better?

Purely from an INCOME tax perspective, generally there's no difference between an S-Corp and a sole proprietor when it comes to business deductible expenses. An S-Corp can save you some Medicare tax; however, in my opinion, you have to NET at least $150,000 with an S-Corp for the Medicare tax savings to offset the additional costs of having an S-Corp. Therefore, purely from a tax savings perspective, an S-Corp would only make sense once you begin to NET more than $150,000.....again, in my opinion.

There was a time where corporations in general were less likely to be audited by the IRS and while that stat may still hold true, S-corps have been targeted more recently for reasonable compensation. Because of that, I've stopped using that as a reason to incorporate.

If it's legal liability you are concerned about, see what our friend Jason Wood has to say below. In many other states, working as an LLC would accomplish that; however, I understand CA hasn't caught up with the rest of the country on allowing LLC's as a legal entity.

Jason Patrick Wood (Dental Attorney):

Tim,


You are correct. CA will not allow dentists to be LLC's. Unfortunately, many dentists in CA actually ARE in LLC's. It is shocking.

I agree with Tim however, that based upon what you have told us, there is no real benefit to have an S-Corp in your current situation.

Even if your thought was to keep the corporation so that when you purchase a practice you will already have one, this isn't a good rationale. Reason: I would not counsel you to continue using the corporation you currently have, because I don't want you transferring any existing liabilities of your associateship into your new practice.


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Friday, March 19, 2010

How are Dental Receiveables Treated When Transferred into an S-Corp?

I formed a S-corp this year after being a sole proprietor. I understand that the lower of fixed asset adjusted basis or FMV would be counted as owner's contributed capital into the new S-corp - thus no capital gain/loss.

What about the sole proprietor's receivables as of the date of transfer into S-Corp? Would that be considered capital gain as if I sold the AR to the S-Corp? Or, if I have $100k of receivables at the time of transfer, I would increase my owner's basis in the S-Corp by $100k.

Thanks!

KISS (Keep it Simple), there should be no tax consequence when you incorporate. Simply begin using the corporation by making deposits and paying bills as soon as you open the bank account. The F&E are transferred at book value, no FMV adj is necessary. Generally continue with your regular depreciation schedule as though nothing happened.

There may be some one-time tax planning opportunities involved so please talk to your CPA. Here's some information from IRS government: (The link http://www.irs.gov/publications/p542/ar02.html#d0e283 )

Property Exchanged for Stock

If you transfer property (or money and property) to a corporation in exchange for stock in that corporation (other than nonqualified preferred stock, described later), and immediately afterward you are in control of the corporation, the exchange is usually not taxable. This rule applies both to individuals and to groups who transfer property to a corporation. It also applies whether the corporation is being formed or is already operating. It does not apply in the following situations.

• The corporation is an investment company.

• You transfer the property in a bankruptcy or similar proceeding in exchange for stock used to pay creditors.

• The stock is received in exchange for the corporation's debt (other than a security) or for interest on the corporation's debt (including a security) that accrued while you held the debt.

Both the corporation and any person involved in a nontaxable exchange of property for stock must attach to their income tax returns a complete statement of all facts pertinent to the exchange. For more information, see section 1.351-3 of the Regulations.

Control of a corporation. To be in control of a corporation, you or your group of transferors must own, immediately after the exchange, at least 80% of the total combined voting power of all classes of stock entitled to vote and at least 80% of the outstanding shares of each class of nonvoting stock.

Property of relatively small value. The term property does not include property of a relatively small value when it is compared to the value of stock and securities already owned or to be received for services by the transferor if the main purpose of the transfer is to qualify for the nonrecognition of gain or loss by other transferors.

Property transferred will not be considered to be of relatively small value if its fair market value is at least 10% of the fair market value of the stock and securities already owned or to be received for services by the transferor.

Liabilities. If the corporation assumes your liabilities, the exchange generally is not treated as if you received money or other property. There are two exceptions to this treatment.

• If the liabilities the corporation assumes are more than your adjusted basis in the property you transfer, gain is recognized up to the difference. However, if the liabilities assumed give rise to a deduction when paid, such as a trade account payable or interest, no gain is recognized.

• If there is no good business reason for the corporation to assume your liabilities, or if your main purpose in the exchange is to avoid federal income tax, the assumption is treated as if you received money in the amount of the liabilities.

For more information on the assumption of liabilities, see section 357(d) of the Internal Revenue Code.

Basis of stock or other property received. The basis of the stock you receive is generally the adjusted basis of the property you transfer. Increase this amount by any amount treated as a dividend, plus any gain recognized on the exchange. Decrease this amount by any cash you received, the fair market value of any other property you received, and any loss recognized on the exchange. Also decrease this amount by the amount of any liability the corporation or another party to the exchange assumed from you, unless payment of the liability gives rise to a deduction when paid.

Further decreases may be required when the corporation or another party to the exchange assumes from you a liability that gives rise to a deduction when paid after October 18, 1999, if the basis of the stock would otherwise be higher than its fair market value on the date of the exchange. This rule does not apply if the entity assuming the liability acquired either substantially all of the assets or the trade or business with which the liability is associated.

The basis of any other property you receive is its fair market value on the date of the trade.

Basis of property transferred. A corporation that receives property from you in exchange for its stock generally has the same basis you had in the property, increased by any gain you recognized on the exchange. However, the increase for the gain recognized may be limited. For more information, see section 362 of the Internal Revenue Code.

Election to reduce basis. In a section 351 transaction, if the adjusted basis of the property transferred exceeds the property's fair market value, the transferor and transferee may make an irrevocable election to treat the basis of the stock received by the transferor as having a basis equal to the fair market value of the property transferred. The transferor and transferee must make this election by attaching a statement to their tax returns filed by the due date (including extensions) for the tax year in which the transaction occurred. For more information on making this election see section 362(e)(2)(C) of the Internal Revenue Code, and Notice 2005-70, 2005-41 I.R.B. 694.

A CPA is telling me that the AR I transferred from Schedule C to S-Corp will be treated as schedule C income for 2009 and the AP I transferred from Sch. C to S-Corp will be treated as expenses for Schedule C in 2009 since I earned the income and incurred the expense as schedule C sole proprietor:

So, he said the entry should be:
S-Corp

DR. Old Receivables transferred from being a sole proprietor

CR. Owner’s Equity

But, when I received payment against the old Schedule C-AR, S Corp journal entry would be:

DR. Cash

CR. Old Receivables transferred from being a sole proprietor

Schedule C entry will be:

DR. ??

You mean the CPA didn't know what category to use? That might give you a clue.

CR. Income

These are typical accrual basis entries. Are you cash basis as a sole proprietor? Your s-corp should be cash basis as well. No such entry is needed, assuming you'll remain cash basis.

Does the above entry make sense? Would S-Corp need to pay Schedule C sole proprietor for all the collected AR from Schedule C.

If I were a cash-basis sole proprietor, why would I consider the transferred AR as income in Schedule C.

You wouldn't. However, you can if that's where you deposit it. Look, if you've been reporting and paying tax on production and not collections, then those entries make sense.

Can you point me to some IRS publication so I can study this further? Thank you.

You mean besides what I provided above? This issue doesn't require all this time and energy. We've done this hundreds, if not thousands of times, with MANY of our clients that have incorporated over 30+years.

1. Create s-corp.

2. Open checking account.

3. Make deposits.

It's pretty much that easy. Someone is really making a mountain out of a pimple on this one.

If you feel that strongly about following your CPA's advice, don't transfer the a/r or the a/p. Allow them to flow through your old Schedule c and just deposit collections from new production into the s-corp. There is no need for JE's.

…or, hire us and pay for our advice which we'll back up if it's incorrect.

Tim, thank you for your explanation. This is where I'm getting confused. Since I was a Schedule-C cash basis taxpayer, if I book the following entry when I transferred the AR to S-Corp

Opening Entry:

Dr. AR

CR. Owner Equity

In S-Corp, since I'm also cash-basis, every time I collected cash against the old receivables, I would

DR. Cash

CR. AR

None of these entries are necessary. Since you're cash basis in both entities, when you deposit cash from patients, you have income. If it's entries you need, they would be the same in both:

Dr. cash

Cr. income

There are no other entries needed in my opinion.

But, where do I pay "tax" on that income?

Cash basis-where ever you deposit it.

(Since I was a Schedule C - cash basis, so I have not reported that AR income under Schedule C, and under S-Corp, since AR was part of contributed capital, there's also no income statement impact ever time I collected against the old AR under S-Corp).

Why "contribute" A/R? Why not simply assign the collections to the s-corp when you receive it? Again, you're a cash basis taxpayer.

Maybe I'm missing something, but under which entity should these cash collected on these AR be taxed since both S-corp and sole proprietor are cash basis. Thanks.

I think you're meshing the GAAP treatment and the tax treatment and it's confusing the heck out of you. For GAAP (generally accepted accounting principles) your debits and credits are probably accurate. For tax, they don't belong. When you are a cash basis taxpayer, you report taxable income (not GAAP income) when you receive it, NOT earn it (like GAAP).

As I said above, other than the "entries" you need to make for the other assets like F&E, with income:

1. Create s-corp

2. Open checking account

3. Make deposits

That's all there is to it.

I don't understand why you're trying to put A/R on your s-corp balance sheet if you're cash basis. You can do that if you like for GAAP, just don't confuse it with tax reporting.

By the way, the details of the make-up of the A/R is irrelevant to your main question of where to report the income as are the questions about your new TIN and that process…unless you had questions about them that I missed.

PainlessPaulus (Doug) chimes in:

Tim,

I have a question. What if he reports the insurance checks as income on his SS rather than the TIN... then transfer it to the K-1 and 1120s.... This would save alot of FD work.. I believe Carl said that on an asset sale to a new LLC the income can be report on the old TIN... This is a BIG PITA that other businesses don't have....

Doug

This is a common issue and can be resolved very easily when doing tax reporting. I just did a return for an orthodontist who works in other GD offices. The offices receive the income and pay the orthodontist his percentage on a 1099. Well someone in one of the offices used the orthodontist’s social security number to file the claims instead of the GD's TIN. We simply show the income incorrectly reported, take a deduction for the exact same amount, and label it something like "income reported incorrectly" or "income reported under TIN 12-345678".

PainlessPaulus (Doug):

So... could you do this year after year?

If it continues to be reported wrong, why not just fix the problem?

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Thursday, December 17, 2009

Is an LLC or and S-Corp Best for Owning the Dental Building?

I have heard it said that the best way to go about owning a building and practice is to have the building set up as an LLC and the practice as an S-Corp, with the LLC renting out the building to your S-Corp practice. Assuming this model is followed, would the following be legal:

Let’s say you own a building with enough space to house multiple businesses. You start off with your practice set up in one area/wing/whatever of the building and rent out the rest of it. Perhaps you plan to use the extra space in the future for expansion, but that really is not important. Commercial real estate hits a rough patch and your LLC comes dangerously close to failure. Your dental practice is still rather successful. Would it be legal to "renegotiate" and jack up the rental rate on your dental practice so as to help your commercial property LLC get through the tough times?

The basic question here is whether or not it is legal to essentially use the rate charged to your practice to mediate the bumps felt by your commercial property. (I suppose the reverse of this situation is possible as well, with you lowering the rate charged to a struggling practice by your successful commercial real estate... but this situation seems unlikely at best).

Or you could simply use the S-Corp profits and lend them to the LLC to keep it afloat. Assuming you're the sole owner of each both flow through to your ind. tax return so the net tax benefit will be the same.

Remember, the S-Corp needs to act in a prudent business fashion. If it's already paying "fair market" rent and you didn't own the LLC and the landlord asked you to renegotiate the lease to pay more rent, would you still do it? The answer is no.

Don't make it more complicated that it needs to be.

Our friend Jason Wood would like to add:

The only thing I will add to this excellent answer is a real world experience as to why it should be done this way as opposed to renegotiating the rent and putting it in writing. 

A client that contacted us after-the-fact had entered into an "above average rent" with his dental practice for the building that he owned.  Because it was a part of the lease there was a paper trail.  When he lost the building as a result of the economy we are in, the bank "relied" on the above market rental rate outlined in the lease to force the dentist to continue paying the above market rent. 

In other words, don't renegotiate your rent, do what Tim suggests instead.  Lend the LLC money personally so that if you lose the building it isn't attached to your separate entity.

Now that’s great information to know!

Thanks!

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Friday, October 16, 2009

Dental Commercial Property and and S-Corp Election

This is our one hundredth post. Nice milestone.

I have heard it said that the best way to go about owning a building and practice is to have the building set up as an LLC and the practice as an S-Corp, with the LLC renting out the building to your S-Corp practice.

Assuming this model is followed, would the following be legal:


Let’s say you own a building with enough space to house multiple businesses. You start off with your practice set up in one area/wing/whatever of the building and rent out the rest of it. Perhaps you plan to use the extra space in the future for expansion, but that really is not important. Commercial real estate hits a rough patch and your LLC comes dangerously close to failure. Your dental practice is still rather successful. Would it be legal to "renegotiate" and jack up the rental rate on your dental practice so as to help your commercial property LLC get through the tough times? The basic question here is whether or not it is legal to essentially use the rate charged to your practice to mediate the bumps felt by your commercial property. (I suppose the reverse of this situation is possible as well, with you lowering the rate charged to a struggling practice by your successful commercial real estate... but this situation seems unlikely at best)


Or you could simply use the S-Corp profits and lend them to the LLC to keep it afloat. Assuming you're the sole owner of each both flow through to your ind. tax return so the net tax benefit will be the same.


Remember, the S-Corp needs to act in a prudent business fashion. If it's already paying "fair market" rent and you didn't own the LLC and the landlord asked you to renegotiate the lease to pay more rent, would you still do it? The answer is no.

Don't make it more complicated that it needs to be.

And our good friend, Jason Wood, the Dental Lawyer adds:
 
The only thing I will add to this excellent answer is a real world experience as to why it should be done this way as opposed to renegotiating the rent and putting it in writing.


A client that contacted us after-the-fact had entered into an "above average rent" with his dental practice for the building that he owned. Because it was a part of the lease there was a paper trail. When he lost the building as a result of the economy we are in, the bank "relied" on the above market rental rate outlined in the lease to force the dentist to continue paying the above market rent.

In other words, don't renegotiate your rent, do what Tim suggests instead. Lend the LLC money personally so that if you lose the building it isn't attached to your separate entity.

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Tuesday, September 1, 2009

Is an S-Corp the Correct Structure for this Dentist? Probably Not.

I formed an S-corp as I was encouraged by my tax accountant to do so. My question is, is it really saving me money?

Based on the info below I bet it's costing you money!

Here's my info:

I'm one year removed from school. I'm making about 95K annually at the moment, working as an associate at one office 4 days a week. My boss is treating me as an Independent Contractor. I'm giving myself a salary of 72K as suggested by my accountant.

Ok, so lets stop right there. BEST case the $23k difference is being spent on your professional expenses and your payroll taxes and MAYBE a retirement plan. On a $72k salary the MOST you might be contributing is $18k AND you'd be able to get close to that with a sole proprietorship (or single member LLC if CA allows them) so don't think for a moment that the s-corp is allowing you have a retirement plan. You could also be deducting the same professional expenses as a sole prop (self employed), so again, it's not like the s-corp is allowing you to deduct items you couldn't deduct as a self employed person.

Best case, you have very little professional expenses and maybe $17k is flowing thru as s-corp div saving you approx. $1,300. Sounds like the annual fee & tax prep fee is eating that up. However, you're paying the employer's tax on the $72k, which is $5,500 and IF the owner would have paid you the same $95k as an employee, THEY would have paid the employers tax saving you $7,300 AND you could have asked them to reimburse you for any professional expenses in lieu of W-2 comp, getting the exact same tax benefit as though you paid them yourself.

As I see it I'm paying an addition $800 to have a corp in California every year in addition to the $600 he's charging me for a corporate tax return plus 150 a month for payroll.

$150/mnth payroll? OUCH! Using an outside payroll service would likely be 20% of that figure if you do your paycheck once per month.
That comes out to an extra $3200 dollars a year. Am I saving that much tax wise from having an S-corp? Should I lower my salary even more?

You could lower your salary, then you run the risk of getting an audit for unreasonably low W-2 comp.

If I decide to stick with it, I'm thinking of outsourcing my payroll as I've heard this can save me some money. What's the cost involved with abolishing a corporation? Thanks for your help, I'm not that great when it comes to crunching numbers so any honest advice would be greatly appreciated.

As a VERY general rule, I believe one needs to NET (that's after expenses) $150k per year to warrant an s-corp here in MD. Sounds like CA is a little more expensive with their annual fee & that would raise the bar.

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Wednesday, February 25, 2009

Dental Practice Purchase Financing - S-Corp

I am planning a start up office and getting a loan from B of A, I want to know what is best for tax purposes, to make me the borrower or the corporation the borrower. The finance guy I am working with says it’s best to be the borrower. Any advice on this? Regardless I am going to personally guarantee the loan.

Depends.

If you're an LLC, it really doesn't matter and I suggest having the entity as the borrowing entity as long as the LLC doesn't elect to be treated as an S-Corp.

If you're an S-Corp AND you want to have the ability to deduct any potential tax losses, YOU must be the actual borrower, NOT the entity. You will then lend the S-Corp the money, the S-Corp will owe YOU. This will give you basis in the S-Corp and allow you to deduct losses if any.

IF the S-Corp is the borrower AND you don't have any money on the table yourself, you will NOT be able to deduct any losses generated at the S-Corp level until you have tax basis.

Personally guaranteeing an S-Corp loan is NOT the same as being the borrower and will NOT allow you to deduct the losses without tax basis.

This is excellent advice. I was hoping that for all the visuals out here in the real world, if you would use this philosophy in an example that would show the young doctors how this might be an effective tax strategy for them.

Additionally, if the buyer personally borrows the money, loans it to the S-Corp which purchases a practice. Who amortizes the goodwill etc.?

The buyer of the assets amortizes the goodwill, the lender is simply the owner and the owner will "owe" the bank.

Please explain how the basis issue relates to the doctor’s personal return and the ability to offset certain losses and why this isn't double dipping. For example, the S-Corp writing off the purchase yet the doctor can personally use the loss against his personal gains.

I’ll try and keep it simple and stick to the "trap" that S-Corps can have. A few assumptions first:

1. Doctor has been working as an associate (employee) during the year earning $100k.
2. Doctor creates S-Corp to buy a practice
3. S-Corp has operating losses of $50k for the year.
4. The "bank" agrees to lend 100% of the purchase price so the owner won't have to kick in any money.

IF the borrower as defined in the loan documents is the S-Corp, the individual will have taxable wages of $100k to pay tax on. The loss of $50k will NOT be available to the individual to use against this income for this taxable year.

Here are a few fixes:

1. Have the loan documents with the individual as the borrower (you've probably guaranteed the loan anyway) and you lend it to your S-Corp. THIS will allow you to take the $50k loss.
2. Go with an LLC (assuming your state allows them) and have the LLC as the borrower. THIS will allow you to take the $50k loss. You can elect to be taxed as an S-Corp later on WHEN it makes sense.

As with anything you do, get good advice and plan accordingly.

I hope that helps.

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